that amount, charlie, do you think the debatesville a big impact? unless somebody makes a huge gaffe, probably not? >> i think probably not. but i think the larger current that the polls are not going to pick up because we are too far out is the fact that in an election like this, where have you a lot of dissatisfaction, which is why, i think, a lot of the very, very interested voters are with romney is because, a lot of romney supporters are driven by deep dissatisfaction with obama. so what i think will happen as we get close tortes election is a lot like what happened in 1980, where the voters tend to break and they tend to break hard in an election like this. i think that given the environment, they will break away from the incumbent. >> we hear anecdoteally that we have the v.p. debate will have more comedic. which debate will be the most? >> the first presidential. it's the first time to see mitt romney and president obama. >> joe biden will say anything, which is why he is so enjoyable. he says everything -- >> so much to that debate against